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Oh I'm not saying either is good. I'm saying that the shoe is on the other foot now.


Yeah, the minimum you need to participate in US society is SSN, driver’s license number, working cell phone number, credit/debit card, health insurance, car, car insurance, proof of citizenship, permanent address, internet connection and W2 or equivalent.

I’ve needed all of these sans the car to interact with just government services in my state.




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